8mm and 16mm

Imported Message: Posted by C. Bering ( chri...@hotmail.com ) from Denmark.

I've realised that 8mm and 16mm cameras are actually quite inexpensive and I would like to experiment a little bit with it. But before I "invest" I have a few questions: How hard is is to get 8mm and 16mm films, where can I get it and how much does it cost? Hope someone can help.... C.B.

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Re: 8mm and 16mm

Imported Message: Posted by Ron Friedman ( adm...@filmmaker.com ) from Denmark. Link: http://www.filmmaker.com

I think you can find 8mm film and most camera stores-- it was quite a popular format when I was growing up, and I'd ASSUME that most places still support it, though video has obviously supplanted it for home use. 16mm stock is used VERY often-- for features, music videos, documentaries..everywhere. You should be able to find new 400" rolls from lots of places, "wherever fine film products are sold" or buy direct from Kodak (I think)

Re: 8mm and 16mm

Imported Message: Posted by mike marston ( stin...@aol.com ) from Denmark.

One year ago when I went to film school in Miami, Florida, I found out that Kodak still sells 8mm film stock on cartridges. I believe it is 50 feet. The price I am guessing at $30.00 per cartridge. The great thing is that the film is taken from 35mm that is the same emulsion numbers that feature film is shot on and cut into 8mm film. I think that they get 3 rows each. At school we shot on 16mm. Again the same emulsion numbers. The cost was something like $50.00 US for 100 feet. This was with a student discount. The cost for developing was around $120.00 US. After going to school for three years, and seeing the cost, It can be very expensive to learn on film. I did learn on film, but I am going to shoot digital video for many shorts and maybe a few features. When I can prove that I know how to put a feature on video, I will have something to show someone and then if they really like my work, they will then put up THEIR MONEY to shoot a feature on film. Thus employing me. Practice on digital video and study film. If you want to do small things with film, I suggest 8mm. The mechanics and concepts are the same as 16mm and 35mm for around 1/4 the cost of 16mm. 35mm runs thru twice as fast as 16mm, because of the size difference. What you shoot on 16mm takes twice as much 35mm film stock. I hope this helps you. If you have further questions or want to chat film and video EMAIL me at stinkydog fil...@aol.com mike marston

8 and 16mm Film Stocks

16mm is a professional guage and is still used and produced by Kodak, Fuji, and Foma. 16mm short ends are available from places like DrRawstock.com along with recanned film at prices starting as low as ten cents (USA) per foot. New tends to run closer to thirty-five cents US per foot for Kodak and Fuji. Super 8mm stock is also available from Kodak, and is about forty cents per foot. (approx $1.40 US/meter) Super 8 comes in 50 foot (15 meter) loads or bulk load. Except for the Ektachrome 40 Type A, all the Kodak Super 8 stocks are professional stocks. Foma from the Czech Republic offers regular (double) 8, super 8 and 16mm filmstocks. They produce an especially fine black and white reversal emulsion, and are somewhat less expensive than Kodak or Fuji stocks. Agfa used to make some fine small format stocks as well, but I am not sure that they are still in that business, as the stocks cannot be had easily here in the US. That situation may be different in Europe. Beaulieu in France still makes Super 8mm cameras, but they are on par both quality and price wise with current major camera systems. Bolex is also still in business, along with Aaton and Arriflex, but these cameras will cost a premium. Even used Bolex cameras are expensive. There is good news in that many fine inexpensive 16mm and 8mm cameras are still around, and can be easily found in second-hand stores, and on E-bay for very low prices. Krasnagorsk (Zenit), Quartz (Zenit and Kiev), and Kinor still make some very inexpensive cameras, and they are easily available in both the US and Europe. There have been some bargain priced Eclair cameras listed out of Europe as well. If you shoot black and white, there are several home processing kits available that handle 8/Super 8, 16mm and 35mm film stocks. Hand processing is tedious, but rather inexpensive, especially for black and white reversal emulsions. I shoot regularily with my Krasnagorsk 3 camera, and have been delighted with the performance of this camera. It cost me less than $200 US new and is most definitely a professional grade camera. I have seen them used for less than $100 US, and except for not accepting 60 or 120 meter loads (30 meter internal daylight load only) provides results and functionality equal to my Arriflex rig. The spring wound motor is prescise enough for reasonable sync sound filming, though the camera must be heavily barneyed to make it quiet enough. I also shoot a lot with various old "home movie" cameras in regualr (double) 8mm format, and hand process and split the film myself. Most of these cameras have cost me less than $5.00 US (a roll of Fomapan film costs more than twice what the camera did!) and I have made some superb movies with these rigs. I do Claymation style animated work using an old Bell and Howell Director Series spring wound camera that I purchased at a second hand store for a dollar! Video may be cheaper and easier to edit, but real movies are still made with film. The manufacturers such as Kodak still support small format films so you should have no trouble finding stocks to shoot with, and you can get processing through any motion picture service firm. There are many small format (smaller than 35mm) film festivals world-wide that require that submitted works be shot entirely in these formats. If you need help finding film stocks, feel free to e-mail me at M...@wdds.com. Mike Warshaw

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