How do you get into doing commercials? I know that you don't just apply and get it. But is it best to have some sort of credentials behind you? Just wondering.
A lot of agencies have a "stable" of director's they like to work with. I know that, in Canada (specifically Vancouver and Toronto), there's a semi-official list of director's who specialize in commercial work. My advice if you're trying to break in is shoot a lot of smart, flashy shorts. I know a few guys who threw together some commercials on spec and broke in that way...I'd recommend against doing that at the moment since a case was brought by Coca-Cola against someone who did this (illegal use of their copyrighted material), until I knew for sure how that played out I'd stay away... Really though I know very little about commerical's having spent most of my time working in the TV/Film world (different circles and what not, at least seems that way in Vancouver...). PS: If you haven't already check out some of the stuff done by Jonathan Glazer, very, very impressive...
Thank you. I have watched everything by Glazer (I heart the Director's Label Series). I do have lots of little ideas for commercials and ideas. I was considering shooting them and shopping them to the company for which they are for. Like, i have one I think would be good for Puma and I would send it to Puma. Would that be possible, or is it hard to get companies to watch your stuff?
It might be hard to get the actually spec spot company to see your material (especially if it's a multnational like Puma) - but you might be able to get the eye of an executive producer at a commercial house, or a lower-level agency director. spec spots are spec spots - as long as you're not distributing it for public consumption - it's industry standard to shoot "fake" commercials for your reel. If you really want to shoot a spec for a particular company or product - pick something that you have ties with or something local - you might be able to get them on board before you even go to camera, so at least there's added value in shooting the spot to begin with. Lastly - it's the worst time right now to want to get into the commercial directing business. Lots to blame - but good luck to you! WPS
Commercial shoots are an odd duck. I like to work them, cause they pay. Nobody ever asks for work in exchange for deferred pay and your name in the credits on a commercial. Commercials have their own "studio system" and this is generally how it looks. The Client (the product) is at the top, next is The Ad Agency (Which contains analysts, creative directors, writers, artists, etc.) The Producer/Director (of the actual shoot) The Crew (I'm down here ) In certain situations the producer/director may also be a part of the Ad Agency. But generally, the bigger the client, the larger the ad campaign the more people between the client and the director. If you want to sell commercial ideas to major companies with major projects then you need to be in the Agency side of the work. By the time it comes down to the director it's completely written and storyboarded and each frame is spoken for. The alternative is to work small. Local clients, local chains, people without 100 million dollar ad budgets. In this case, it's easy to get in. All you need is a camera, an idea and a way to sell your client on it. --Trey
Does anybody here know what is an avarage fee for making one commercial ad? I was just curious.
What do you mean? The fee charged by the advertising agency to the client? The fee paid to the production company? The fee paid to a director? The fee paid to a DP? The fee paid to the actors? The fee paid to the crew? The fee a production company would charge?
What do you mean? The fee charged by the advertising agency to the client? The fee paid to the production company? The fee paid to a director? The fee paid to a DP? The fee paid to the actors? The fee paid to the crew? The fee a production company would charge?
That would depend on the experience and skill of the director. On a non-union commercial the fee can range from nothing (shooting on "spec" to several thousand dollars a day - and everything in between. Most advertising agencies hire DGA directors. The minimum is set by the Guild and there is no maximum - again it could be several thousand dollars a day. There really isn't an average.
That would depend on the experience and skill of the director. On a non-union commercial the fee can range from nothing (shooting on "spec" to several thousand dollars a day - and everything in between. Most advertising agencies hire DGA directors. The minimum is set by the Guild and there is no maximum - again it could be several thousand dollars a day. There really isn't an average.
Hey Mr. Cine7 I can answer for you from both the music video and commercial side --- in music videos, directors usually take 10% of the budget (ie: on a low-budget $40,000 music video, your rate would be around $4,000) --- and if you have a stake in the production company, you can take an even higher rate. However, sometimes you make less if you like the band or the song and there's little money. For commercials, directors rates vary with their experience. For a new commercial director, the daily rate can still start at between $5,000 - $8,000 a day depending on how much experience or buzz you have about you. It's not uncommon for top list directors to make between $25k-$100k a day depending on the production or client. Rarely are you asked to cut your rate. WPS
Infomercial directors in Los Angeles? Anybody have any idea as to what an experienced multi-camera director can get for directing an infomercial? And, what if the same person also produces the video demos/roll-in's of the product? In my case, I haven't done info's or spots for any big MAJOR clients yet, but I've been directing commercials and indusrials for both local and multi-national companies here in the L.A. area for years, now, and I have a lot of live-broadcast 3-camera experience as a director. But it's always been for very low-budget work, or as a salaried staff member.
My company (www.xlntads.com) is a startup based in Philadelphia... and we work with independent studios and semi-pro/ amateur filmmakers to create advertising. It's not a guaranteed "job" per-se, but if you're good, then you stand a very good chance of coming out on top. Especially since we're just a startup and we don't have a TON of people who know about us yet.
Currently we have an assignment from slimfast up on the website... and we're hoping to launch another VERY big brand assignment later this week. if you've got any questions, feel free to hit me up (lja...@xlntads.com) or just go look at the assignment page.
Re: Commercials
A lot of agencies have a "stable" of director's they like to work with. I know that, in Canada (specifically Vancouver and Toronto), there's a semi-official list of director's who specialize in commercial work. My advice if you're trying to break in is shoot a lot of smart, flashy shorts. I know a few guys who threw together some commercials on spec and broke in that way...I'd recommend against doing that at the moment since a case was brought by Coca-Cola against someone who did this (illegal use of their copyrighted material), until I knew for sure how that played out I'd stay away... Really though I know very little about commerical's having spent most of my time working in the TV/Film world (different circles and what not, at least seems that way in Vancouver...). PS: If you haven't already check out some of the stuff done by Jonathan Glazer, very, very impressive...
Re: Commercials
Thank you. I have watched everything by Glazer (I heart the Director's Label Series). I do have lots of little ideas for commercials and ideas. I was considering shooting them and shopping them to the company for which they are for. Like, i have one I think would be good for Puma and I would send it to Puma. Would that be possible, or is it hard to get companies to watch your stuff?
companies
It might be hard to get the actually spec spot company to see your material (especially if it's a multnational like Puma) - but you might be able to get the eye of an executive producer at a commercial house, or a lower-level agency director. spec spots are spec spots - as long as you're not distributing it for public consumption - it's industry standard to shoot "fake" commercials for your reel. If you really want to shoot a spec for a particular company or product - pick something that you have ties with or something local - you might be able to get them on board before you even go to camera, so at least there's added value in shooting the spot to begin with. Lastly - it's the worst time right now to want to get into the commercial directing business. Lots to blame - but good luck to you! WPS
Re: Commercials
Commercial shoots are an odd duck. I like to work them, cause they pay. Nobody ever asks for work in exchange for deferred pay and your name in the credits on a commercial. Commercials have their own "studio system" and this is generally how it looks. The Client (the product) is at the top, next is The Ad Agency (Which contains analysts, creative directors, writers, artists, etc.) The Producer/Director (of the actual shoot) The Crew (I'm down here
) In certain situations the producer/director may also be a part of the Ad Agency. But generally, the bigger the client, the larger the ad campaign the more people between the client and the director. If you want to sell commercial ideas to major companies with major projects then you need to be in the Agency side of the work. By the time it comes down to the director it's completely written and storyboarded and each frame is spoken for. The alternative is to work small. Local clients, local chains, people without 100 million dollar ad budgets. In this case, it's easy to get in. All you need is a camera, an idea and a way to sell your client on it. --Trey
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Does anybody here know what is an avarage fee for making one commercial ad? I was just curious. P.S. It's my first post here!
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That would depend on the experience and skill of the director. On a non-union commercial the fee can range from nothing (shooting on "spec" to several thousand dollars a day - and everything in between. Most advertising agencies hire DGA directors. The minimum is set by the Guild and there is no maximum - again it could be several thousand dollars a day. There really isn't an average.
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Director's rates
Hey Mr. Cine7 I can answer for you from both the music video and commercial side --- in music videos, directors usually take 10% of the budget (ie: on a low-budget $40,000 music video, your rate would be around $4,000) --- and if you have a stake in the production company, you can take an even higher rate. However, sometimes you make less if you like the band or the song and there's little money. For commercials, directors rates vary with their experience. For a new commercial director, the daily rate can still start at between $5,000 - $8,000 a day depending on how much experience or buzz you have about you. It's not uncommon for top list directors to make between $25k-$100k a day depending on the production or client. Rarely are you asked to cut your rate. WPS
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Thanks WPS
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Good luck Mr. Cine 7 --- hope to see you on set one day! WPS
Rates for infomercial directors?
Infomercial directors in Los Angeles? Anybody have any idea as to what an experienced multi-camera director can get for directing an infomercial? And, what if the same person also produces the video demos/roll-in's of the product? In my case, I haven't done info's or spots for any big MAJOR clients yet, but I've been directing commercials and indusrials for both local and multi-national companies here in the L.A. area for years, now, and I have a lot of live-broadcast 3-camera experience as a director. But it's always been for very low-budget work, or as a salaried staff member.
looking to break into commercials?
My company (www.xlntads.com) is a startup based in Philadelphia... and we work with independent studios and semi-pro/ amateur filmmakers to create advertising. It's not a guaranteed "job" per-se, but if you're good, then you stand a very good chance of coming out on top. Especially since we're just a startup and we don't have a TON of people who know about us yet.
Currently we have an assignment from slimfast up on the website... and we're hoping to launch another VERY big brand assignment later this week. if you've got any questions, feel free to hit me up (lja...@xlntads.com) or just go look at the assignment page.
good luck with your projects!
-Liza
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