10 most overrated directors?

This might be interesting... Laughing out loud These are the directors i think are the most overrated:- 1) Ken Russell. 2) Tony Richardson. 3) Stanley Kubrick. 4) Luchino Visconti. 5) Satyajit Ray. 6) Sergei Eisenstein. 7) Claude Lelouch. Cool George Lucas. 9) Martin Scorsese maybe? 10) ??

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Re: 10 most overrated directors?

Martin Scorsese! Martin Scorsese! I hope that's a joke. He brings you Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, The King of Comedy, Goodfellas, Casino and this is how you re-pay him? He practically made De Niro's career what it is. Not to mention his great sense of storytelling, skipping back and forth through time to only show us what needs to be seen. Little things that help bring out a movie, and keep you enthralled. He's one of the best directors of our time in my opinion. But that's just me.

Joe Pesci

Not only that...he made Joe Pesci. When I worked with Joe, he used to tell us stories about Marty and how he gave him his first film, "Raging Bull." Joe was working at a restaurant when he was discovered.

Okay! okay!

Okay, maybe Scorsese doesn't deserve a place in this list. After all, he did give us Taxi Driver, Mean Streets and New York, New York (personal favourite), as well as playing an important role in film appreciation. But the films he's made in the last 15 years have not been anywhere near the same standard as those from the 70's, in my opinion anyway. But what really gets my goat is when all i hear from wannabe directors is that their favourite is Scorsese (or Tarantino)!!! There's a hell of a lot more to the film medium than directors whose films ultimately show very little other than that they have watched far too many films. 8O

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ive got to go with steven spielberg, he makes entertaining films, but nothing more nothing less

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Scorsese is definitely not overrated-and it annoys me when people say he only makes good gangster films. Spielberg-perhaps-he's very easy to criticise for the CRAP he has made-but people forget the great stuff he has made-Duel, Jaws, Close Encounters and especially Schindler's List. Kubrick-no-maybe in your opinion-but I don't see how someone who made 2001, Full Metal Jacketl, the Shining, Dr. Strangelove, Lolita, Paths of Glory, Clockwork Orange can be overrated-cause they are all awesome films. Just my opinion. Laughing out loud

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I used to love 2001 when i was young but now it seems very cold, empty and inhuman. For me the one great film Kubrick directed is The Shining, with Paths of Glory and The Killing being pretty good too. Yes, Spielberg was very good once wasn't he! Close Encounters is my personal favourite, and then Jaws, and you have to give the man credit for how he has made important historical events into great successes - Schindlers List, Private Ryan. Just my opinion!!

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Zabriskie what did you think of Lolita, Full Metal Jacket, Clockwork Orange etc? Fair enough if you didn't like them.

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Hello strangelaughingman, I prefer Nabokov's novel of Lolita, it's more subtle and gets under your skin, Kubrick never seems capable of dealing with sex very successfully. Eyes wide shut was a big failure for me too. With Full metal jacket i didn't feel connected to the film very much nor care about the characters, prefer Platoon. However i reckon there are better films that dealt with vietnam but in an indirect way - Who'll stop the rain, Ulzana's raid, etc. Clockwork Orange? I don't really like violence, especially when it's done for it's own sake and so explicitly. Personally, i think that Anthony Mann or Mizoguchi had a much stronger conception of how to show violence so that it disturbed, moving the camera away and being more suggestive than explicit. But don't let what i say say affect your love of Kubricks films!!

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Sorry, can't take this serious as long as you have Stanley Kubrick on your list... Replace him with M. Night Shyamalan.

WTF?

Are you on Meth? M. Night Shyamalan has done total GARBAGE except for "Sixth Sense" while Kubrick has been praised by many filmmakers and actors. The Village? Signs? Wastes of celluloid. Personally, I hated extremely long and drawn-out shots of guy moving from one ond of a space craft to another in 2001: A Space Odyssey. While it was done for a specific reason, I was bored. But Kubrick's body of work far exceeds anything Shyamalan has ever done. Get real. "Clockwork Orange" is on many people's top 20 film lists. M. Night is talented, yet ALL (but one) of his films SUCK. So, it is because of your statement that I can't take you seriously. :roll:

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guitarniac wrote:
ive got to go with steven spielberg, he makes entertaining films, but nothing more nothing less
Agreed. He is just good at picking books. What he does is something any director could do, I feel. There's nothing special in his movies. Plus, War of the Worlds blew.

Re: WTF?

MuddyPaws wrote:
Are you on Meth? M. Night Shyamalan has done total GARBAGE except for "Sixth Sense" while Kubrick has been praised by many filmmakers and actors. The Village? Signs? Wastes of celluloid. Personally, I hated extremely long and drawn-out shots of guy moving from one ond of a space craft to another in 2001: A Space Odyssey. While it was done for a specific reason, I was bored. But Kubrick's body of work far exceeds anything Shyamalan has ever done. Get real. "Clockwork Orange" is on many people's top 20 film lists. M. Night is talented, yet ALL (but one) of his films SUCK. So, it is because of your statement that I can't take you seriously. :roll:
The guy was saying that Kubric wasn't overrated, and Shyamalan was. Which I think is false. Syamalan is an amazing director, his movies look amazing. The problem with him, and what takes away from his talent, is that he also thinks he's a good writer. The only truly good movie he's made so far is Unbreakable. If you like subtlety, then you have to like unbreakable, it was only subtlety.

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Sergei Eisenstein? You know he invented the discontinuity editing stuff. You can't be overrated when you are pioneering. That Christopher Columbus is overrated when it comes to explorers.

Oooops

Yikes...Okay...then I retract my last post to Sorg. I had just gotten up - I was groggy. My bad. To be clear, Kubrick was a much better filmmaker than M. Night Shyamalan is.

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MuddyPaws wrote:
Yikes...Okay...then I retract my last post to Sorg. I had just gotten up - I was groggy. My bad. To be clear, Kubrick was a much better filmmaker than M. Night Shyamalan is.
He, he, that's ok. Kubrick's one of my favourite directors (Lynch and Cronenberg being THE favourites), so I meant that Kubrick should be removed from this list. Laughing out loud

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Agreed. Kubrick is my personal favourite-never a bad movie. What about overrated films? Goodfellas-what is everyone chatting about? So inferior to Mean Streets, Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, the King of Comedy etc.

To continue

I think Goodfellas and Casino were interchangable. I am biased though, having worked with Joe Pesci and getting all sorts of behind-the-scenes stories. When he had to watch as they beat his brother with the bats...it crushed me. When I told him that, he smacked my shoulder and said, "C'mon ya girlie prick. It's just a movie." When I told him that I imagined watching my little brother getting killed that way, he said, "Okay then, you were affected by my acting. Then you're ok, kid." I love that guy. Getting back to Shyamalan, he's about to release his new one with Paul Giamotti. A girl in the water? Is she a mermaid? Yikes. Maybe he should do "The Seventh Sense."

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Whoooaaah! You worked with Pesci? Legend!

J.P.

Strangemanlaughing wrote:
Whoooaaah! You worked with Pesci? Legend!
Sure did... got a bunch of pictures to prove it...LOL One is me on set handing Joe a gun and he hands me his sopping wet cigar to hold....Good times. I'll never forget his "people" telling me that before I put any prop gun into Joe's hands, BOTH of his bodyguards had to inspect the weapon. I went along with it, but after a week, it was just one guy and by the second week, both guys trusted me and didn't bother. Johnny said, "We trust you, kid." That was an honor. Joe is a reall stand up guy. I asked if he'd help surprise my (then girlfriend) in order for me to propose to her. He loved the idea and I have the whole thing on tape - yup, the video tap was recording video through the film camera! She thought she was going to be an extra - it was Joe's idea. I guess he really did like me.

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Okay, i've had a think about it and i think that i have been a bit harsh on Scorsese, so i'm going to take him off my list of the most overrated and him with John Ford and Andre Tarkovsky. No doubt someone will complain.

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Wait let me get this straight-you're taking off Scorsese (fine) and replacing him with Ford? As in Ford who made the Searchers, Stagecoach, Grapes of Wrath, the Long Voyage Home, How Green was my valley etc? 8O

Hi Strange

Hey Strangeman: Also, I need to tell you that Scorsese offered Joe Pesci to direct a mob film. Pesci's reply? "I'll pass. I just wanna act in two or three more films and retire to f***ing my wife, playing golf and smoking cigars." And let me tell you, Pesci's wife is younger and ULTRA hot. 8O Atta boy, Joe!

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Yep, John Ford. I know that The Searchers is one of the greatest psychological westerns ever made, with an outstanding performance by John Wayne, and i will always love it, but John Ford is also responsible for more fallacies about the west than anyone else who lived. He has to be included, for the sake of mankind!

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By the way MP-lol over Pesci-he was a funny guy. That's a good point Zabriskie-what merits a good director? Is it just the quality of his films or the truths and messages they portray? Is it the emotional value or the political message? How much does the truth of the films a director makes reflect upon his greatness-say in the Western genre is it fair to criticise a director who makes great stories that bear little truth about the true nature of the West? I personally believe that Ridley Scott half-ruined a fantastic directorial effort in Black Hawk Down with the rubbish 'Team America' style storyline-while it's the bullcrap of The Patriot which pissed me off so much-then again the truth of My Darling Clementine being untrue did not really bother me.

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It is obvious there are many different opinions at stake here, and in the first place "Overrated" is also a very subjective term, yet we are arguing over it as if it were objective. that said, I think it's wrong to say Andrei Tarkovsky is overrated, when most people in america haven't even heard of him. And his films are intensely personal and beautiful works of art, that have a lot to say about many aspects of life. I'd like to know what about this makes him overrated. And Speilberg, sure he has had several films that everyone agrees arent that great, but Munich has got to be one of my favorite films of last year. I don't see how you can say Speilberg hasn't made any good films recently when Munich was such an honest and thought provoking story.

Munich

I'm sorry that I missed Munich in the theaters. Is it out on video yet?

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I'm always surprised when people mention Spielberg's best films they usually omit Empire of the Sun. My most overrated director, John Woo. I can only watch so much slow-mo.

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I do not think Munich is on DVD yet, although it should be soon. I could be wrong, though.

Munich

Munich is out on DVD and every time I go in to rent it - it's gone. Guess there's a reason for that. Just not sure it's worth owning though. (shrugs)

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Well, It is an amazing film. but probably not one you'd watch every day. well worth watching though.

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It's worth renting. Not Spielberg's best, but a lot better than War of the Worlds.

10 most overrated directors

Don't know if I can come up with 10, but the first ones to come to mind are Quentin Tarentino, Spike Lee, and Michael Bay. To me, just because you can do all kinds of cool grip tricks with your camera does NOT make you a great storyteller, and the same goes for filling your films with blood, violence, and profanity. Not to say those don't have their place, they do. But, they're like spices: they must be used properly and sparingly. I also cannot respect any director who belittles their crew or cusses them (or the public) out on the set, as I've seen Bay do.
'Course who am I to say anything? Considering all the money these guys have made compared to me, they must be doing something right. Or maybe they just have great connections.

I really couldn't disagree...

They aren't to my taste, either... of course, I run toward Ford, Hawks, Welles, Curtiz. Sturges, Wilder...
Al B.
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overrrated?

how is someone overrated when it's simply a matter of opinion or if the person has a large following? If you like humanist films, then Satyajit Ray is a master -- but yeah, you won't get a Spielberg-type kick out of him, eventhough Spielberg took E.T. from one of his stories. Not to mention, to call Satyajit Ray overrated is nuts when you think about the amount of work that he created that was based on his OWN WRITINGS!!

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